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Discussion: Mahler: Symphony No. 2 - Bernstein

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Post by porpielee June 29, 2014 (21 of 23)
Claude said:

There is a difference between early 60's and late 60's/early 70's Columbia recordings,

The former were made on 3 tracks (3 front channels), while the latter were quad recordings (2 front + 2 rear channels).

On the 3-track recordings, the rear channels on the mch SACD are necessarily artificial, while a true surround SACD can be made from quad tapes.

there is a difference between studio master and production master tapes. Your entire post is based on the assumption that only production masters are available (which might very well be wrong). If multi miked studio master tapes are available, a lot more possiblilities are there.

and who says early 60s columbia recordings are 3 tracks???

https://m1.behance.net/rendition/modules/783154/disp/971591236879960.jpg

This is a 1959 session photo and I can count at least 5 microphones (only ones I could see that is)

Post by Ubertrout June 29, 2014 (22 of 23)
As I understand it, both statements are somewhat correct. For recordings made in the early 1960s, they were made to 3-track tape. That doesn't mean that only 3 microphones were used - the recordings were multimiked but it wasn't one mike per track. Rather they would go to different microphones as appropriate in making the recording, but only used 3 tracks, because tape with more tracks was not widely available.

As things moved into the later 60s and the quad era you started seeing 4, 8, and then 16 track tape. Most quad recordings were made in the era where at least 8 track tape was used, and then the quad master was made from the 8 or 16 track master. So in theory one could create a 5-channel mix of a recording released commercially in quad from the multitrack masters.

That said, and bringing it back to Bernstein, it's kind of shocking how poor a job Sony Classical has done with multichannel SACD releases of quad recordings - can anyone point to a good one? By contrast, they seem to do a pretty good job with the 3-channel recordings from earlier, even if the rears have to be synthetic.

Post by Luukas February 17, 2015 (23 of 23)
There are off-stage brass bands in the Finale. It is a pity that they don't sound from surround speakers. Is there any recording which uses this effect?

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