Post by raffells January 4, 2008 (11 of 31)
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Derek said:
Awesome list Windsurfer thanks...
Are true newer DSD classical recordings that much better?
It will be interesting to hear your opinions on whether you can appreciate DSD over PCM.Please report back in a few months.
Nice list of Windys but IMO no way is this for a beginners list.I doubt if anyone would have used these itms as their starter including Windy.
In response to your request piano works,No mention of Beethovens Piano concertos 4&5.Grieg, Rachmaninov 2 and Tchaikovskys all of which are the top five.Add Chopins 2P Concertos and both Liszt as well as Mozart 21 at least.Agree Schumann and Gershwin.
Then Try Tchaikovsky Mendlessohn Beethoven and Bruchs Violin concerts.
Most popular orchestra suites Grieg Peer Gynt and other suite,Bizet Carmen ,Sibelius Tone Poems (Bis) |Finlandia and Karelia etc,Bridge 4 Sea Interluudes and Elgars Enigma.
Rossini s Overtures,Brahms Hungarian Dances/Dvorak Slavonic Dances and
Liszts Hungarian Rhapsodys.Dorati s only MLP Id advise.
Bigger works Rimsky Korsakov Scherezade and Symphonies by Beethoven 5/6.
Rachmaninov 2 Mozart 40/41.Brahms 2.Tchaikovsky 4.5.6 in that order.Dvorak 9 Sibelius 2.Scubert 5/8/& 9.
Picture painting music by Respighi Roman Trilogy and Debussy LaMer etc Mussorgsky Exhibition and Ravels music.
Bartok Concerto for Orchestra.Stravinskys Firebird/Pertushka .Rodrigos Guitar concerto is very popular.
Ballet..Nutcracker suite agreed.Chamber music is an aquired taste.
Schuberts Trout quintet is a good starter.
There is more on this list and ore variety than you will probably buy in a year.
I suggest you then look at Windys list.
Eventually you may migrate to Wagner and Mahler.
I would suggest when you have got all these items then start looking at Windys list.
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Well --- DAVIE,
Your post caused me to reexamine mine and I agree with you maybe about chamber music being an acquired taste. It definitely was for me. Everybody I talk to on this subject always says Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italien. Maybe so but I am not too certain of that anymore. I actually "cut my classical music listening teeth" on Schubert's Unfinished Symphony and Dvorak's New World. It was called #5 way back then, when I was 14. They were 78 rpm albums my dad happpened to have in the house though he never listened to them during those years. My first LP was in fact the Boston Pops under Arthur Fiedler playing Capriccio Italien with the 1812 on the overside. My second LP was of the Beethoven symphonies #5 and 8 with Toscanini... a truly wretched recording sound wise. Shortly thereafter, I acquired the 7th and that was a revelation.
I don't agree with you about whether or not the items on my list apart from the Grieg/Chopin disc are suitable for beginners. On good equipment, the opening of the Mahler 5th is nothing if not impressive! The adagio is famous for its serene beauty. How can you deny the appeal of "The Three Cornered Hat".
But you are certainly correct about significant holes in my list. I admitted that in the posting itself.
BTW, my direction was dictated in no large part by the request for the best MULTI-CHANNEL recordings and I tried to combine that with the notion of things that are not particularly challenging listening.
So I think I will revise my post to include Kleiber's Orfeo 7th even though that does not qualify as among the best of the best sound wise.
Thank you for your suggestions. We (all of us who contribute) really need to put these together in a master list which hopefully Zeus will see fit to set forth as a separate page with links so that this question which has been repeatedly asked will have an immediate and so far as is possible, definitive answer. We really should have some input from those who have used and are using previous lists!
Yours, with the greatest affection, as one would hold for a great teacher, and with not even a hint of sarcasm,
WINDY
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Whoops - can't still edit that post. So, maybe remove the Grieg/Chopin Cello sonatas and add:
Beethoven: Symphony No. 7 - Kleiber
Note the joy in Kleiber's expression on the front cover. A friend listening to this recording at my house commented that was expressed through out the performance! Caution though - this disc is hardly state of the art in sound quality but it is sufficient to provide enormous enjoyment!
The music is something that just makes one want to dance. My brother, who hardly has a taste for classical music, once commented that it made HIM want to get up and dance like Nureyev - and this from someone nobody would accuse of being a "sissy" - he was co-captain of his high school wrestling team for 3 years straight.
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Post by raffells January 4, 2008 (14 of 31)
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Windsurfer said:
Well --- DAVIE,
Your post caused me to reexamine mine and I agree with you maybe about chamber music being an acquired taste. It definitely was for me. Everybody I talk to on this subject always says Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italien. Maybe so but I am not too certain of that anymore. I actually "cut my classical music listening teeth" on Schubert's Unfinished Symphony and Dvorak's New World. It was called #5 way back then, when I was 14. They were 78 rpm albums my dad happpened to have in the house though he never listened to them during those years. My first LP was in fact the Boston Pops under Arthur Fiedler playing Capriccio Italien with the 1812 on the overside. My second LP was of the Beethoven symphonies #5 and 8 with Toscanini... a truly wretched recording sound wise. Shortly thereafter, I acquired the 7th and that was a revelation.
I don't agree with you about whether or not the items on my list apart from the Grieg/Chopin disc are suitable for beginners. On good equipment, the opening of the Mahler 5th is nothing if not impressive! The adagio is famous for its serene beauty. How can you deny the appeal of "The Three Cornered Hat".
But you are certainly correct about significant holes in my list. I admitted that in the posting itself.
BTW, my direction was dictated in no large part by the request for the best MULTI-CHANNEL recordings and I tried to combine that with the notion of things that are not particularly challenging listening.
So I think I will revise my post to include Kleiber's Orfeo 7th even though that does not qualify as among the best of the best sound wise.
Thank you for your suggestions. We (all of us who contribute) really need to put these together in a master list which hopefully Zeus will see fit to set forth as a separate page with links so that this question which has been repeatedly asked will have an immediate and so far as is possible, definitive answer. We really should have some input from those who have used and are using previous lists!
Yours, with the greatest affection, as one would hold for a great teacher, and with not even a hint of sarcasm,
WINDY
Yep I think we are in total agreement except I took the liberty of working out a progression.I can remember baulking at some music in my youth also the seventy eight / cats whisker era.LOL.Later I liked it.
I sppose there is a natural progression.
Thee Cornered hat certainly should be in there.Virtually any Spanish classical especially from foreign composers also are easy winners.,
Cannot remember my early chamber likes but Borodin 2 obviously and Schubert
Mendlessohn and Dvorak were there.
Guess what, we both missed some real cello concerto classics.
I cut my teeth on leatherboots (food shortages) and organ music.Note how often I bring it up when there is yet another sacd release of one.I was really glad the 5000th title wasnt one..I think Zeus was being kind.
I doubt if any listener wasnt brought up on one of Beethoven symphonies.6th and 5.As regards Mahler and the magnificent 5th by virtually ayone who plays it.I was lucky that Sir Charles Groves was the first UK Conducter to do the cycle.Once hearing that fifth and being mesmorized I st thu everything that had Mahler written on it.Still cant stand Das Lied..?dunno why.First time Simon Rattle conducted he did the third.That goes down in my memory beating Berlin PO.
I do hope our newbi gets half the enjoyment of classical music that most of us do.I even gave up on the Mersey scene,Left a Beatles local concert an played Beethoven sixth.Sacrilidge where I come from..
PS I still enjoy Tchaikovskys 1812 and Bolero.Depends what Im doing...
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Post by Derek January 7, 2008 (15 of 31)
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Being mainly into jazz and pop looking at a starting point in classical can be daunting...but using the fine format of SACD makes it fun.
I'm really only looking to start out with some well known classics one could classify as 'demo' quality and have a preference for multi ch. There are some very good suggestions here so thank you.
(As a side note of course there are some fine PCM recordings around - I cannot believe how good Miles' Kind of Blue sounds remastered in DSD..I'm sure there are some fine remastered classicals out there too)
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Derek said:
(As a side note of course there are some fine PCM recordings around - I cannot believe how good Miles' Kind of Blue sounds remastered in DSD..I'm sure there are some fine remastered classicals out there too)
Wasn't that originally an analog master?
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Post by raffells January 7, 2008 (17 of 31)
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Windsurfer said:
Wasn't that originally an analog master?
Yes/
PS I was trying to think why we hadnt come up with a Shosty Symphony /work beweens us. His latest reply makes the Jazz suites an easy winner.Leave you to say which version is better in surround.
Further to your post re a classica sacd Starter Llist,took some time to think about it but yes, a short description per disc or categories would be even more helpfull I would suggest.
Also suggest many more members cold chip in?...
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raffells said:
Yes/
PS I was trying to think why we hadnt come up with a Shosty Symphony /work beweens us. His latest reply makes the Jazz suites an easy winner.
I did recommend Jazz Suites with Kuchar.
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Derek said:
I am a novice to classical music but not to SACD.
What are the better classical titles in terms of fidelity and multichannel mix available on SACD?
I'd love a 'starter list' if you will of titles to purchase to get me going...I do like piano concertos and pieces such as Vivaldi's Four Seasons, more delicate stuff rather than 1812 Overture examples.
Thanks :-)
If you are interested in multi-channel, state of the art, demo. quality classical sacds, run don't walk to your nearest purveyer of sacds or order on-line two discs; Saint-Saens symphony #3 ( the "Organ Symphony") by the Philadelphia Orchestra under Eschenbach, Ondine # ODE 1094-5 and Epics by the Cincinnati Pops under Erich Kunzel, Telarc SACD-60600. I need to warn you that both of these discs have VERY low bass and, if you don't have a good sub-woofer, you may be tempted to buy one which has at least the potential of a considerable "billfold penalty".
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Post by Orpheus January 7, 2008 (20 of 31)
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Steve Steckel said:
If you are interested in multi-channel, state of the art, demo. quality classical sacds, run don't walk to your nearest purveyer of sacds or order on-line two discs; Saint-Saens symphony #3 ( the "Organ Symphony") by the Philadelphia Orchestra under Eschenbach, Ondine # ODE 1094-5 and Epics by the Cincinnati Pops under Erich Kunzel, Telarc SACD-60600. I need to warn you that both of these discs have VERY low bass and, if you don't have a good sub-woofer, you may be tempted to buy one which has at least the potential of a considerable "billfold penalty".
I should caution that the Eschenbach recording is not one that has pleased a lot of people - see its discussion on this forum and it would be wise to look at the reviews/discussions on this forum before buying any SACD. Saint Saen's Symphony No 3 is not a work that I would give as a starter work and Saint Saen's piano concertos and some of his other concertos, for example, I would instead substitute.
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