Post by soundboy August 16, 2007 (1 of 11)
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Being an integral part of SACD, I figure we should celebrate the birthday of SACD's older brother. You've done well!!
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Post by tream August 16, 2007 (2 of 11)
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soundboy said:
Being an integral part of SACD, I figure we should celebrate the birthday of SACD's older brother. You've done well!!
Bah, Humbug. I have tons of 'em - I only play them in my car. Dr. D said "CD is the worst thing since Vietnam and my first ex-wife" - how true.
SACD is what we should have had in the first place. Vinyl still clobbers CD. So does analog reel to reel tape. This is progress?
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Post by Claude August 17, 2007 (3 of 11)
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It's all a question of perspective. For most music listeners, with cheap, badly adjusted turntables and worn needles, CD was a significant progress in terms of sound quality, although the practical advantages were certainly the most important.
The CD also started a wave of reissues (including previously unreleased recordings) that would not have happened if the LP had remained the dominant format. The CD introduced me to a lot of music that I would never had the possibility of hearing otherwise, because the LPs were long OOP and no reissue in sight.
Presenting the CD as a sort of error in history, just because it is not up to the sound of vinyl on a very good system, is a snobbish audiophile attitude, which is also quite recent, as many audiophiles were happy with CD sound until hi-rez formats became available and vinyl had it's revival.
"SACD is what we should have had in the first place"
Of course, higher resolution was only technically possible many years after the CD was launched, and the limited success of SACD/DVD-A shows that the CD is still good enough for the mass market. How about "TV sucks, HDTV is what we should have had in the first place"? ;-)
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Post by Daland August 17, 2007 (4 of 11)
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Claude said:
The CD also started a wave of reissues (including previously unreleased recordings) that would not have happened if the LP had remained the dominant format. The CD introduced me to a lot of music that I would never had the possibility of hearing otherwise, because the LPs were long OOP and no reissue in sight.
This is a very important point. I happen to own a 1964 catalogue of classical recordings (Bielefelder Katalog), which lists just one recording of Strauss's Alpensymphonie (Dresden Staatskapelle, Böhm, mono). With a few exceptions, Mahler und Bruckner hardly fared better at the time. We owe it to the advent of the CD that we can now choose from among dozens of recordings. The good thing about the Super Audio CD is that it combines the practical advantages of the CD with the natural sound of the LP or reel-to-reel tape.
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It's better than mp3, so...I rejoice!
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Post by soundboy August 17, 2007 (6 of 11)
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I know this THE place for SACD, but if done right, CD can sound fantastic.
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Post by Daland August 18, 2007 (7 of 11)
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soundboy said:
I know this THE place for SACD, but if done right, CD can sound fantastic.
As long as no violins, pianos, organs, bass drums or high voices are involved.
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Post by Julien August 18, 2007 (8 of 11)
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Daland said:
As long as no violins, pianos, organs, bass drums or high voices are involved.
Are you saying that organs and violins sound more real on a cheap universal player playing SACD than on a a 1000$ CD player?
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Post by tream August 18, 2007 (9 of 11)
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Julien said:
Are you saying that organs and violins sound more real on a cheap universal player playing SACD than on a a 1000$ CD player?
I have always felt my Sony CE775 (which cost me $200)playing SACD's outperformed my Cal Audio CL-20 playing CD's (the latter unit, when new, was rated "A" by Stereophile and set me back way more than $1000).
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Post by Daland August 18, 2007 (10 of 11)
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Julien said:
Are you saying that organs and violins sound more real on a cheap universal player playing SACD than on a a 1000$ CD player?
Definitely. Especially if it's a DSD recording.
My first SACD player (Sony, stereo) cost about 700 Euro (just over 500 dollars) and I found the violin sound much more natural than on my (more expensive) CD player. I believe that organ music requires multi-channel and cannot be reproduced authentically in stereo anyway.
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