Post by Polarius T November 2, 2012 (2911 of 4131)
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Euell Neverno said:
Which is why it didn't stun me into "scared silence with the power of its sonics" (your words).
I didn't say it would. It did that to some of listener my friends though.
I suspect my speakers too may play a role in this. Their accuracy, precision, dynamics, and "big-and-bold" sound are out of this world. You should try something of their kind if you can. Revelatory and life-transforming, and they really show the sound source for what it really is -- in this case, something pretty impressive indeed.
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Polarius T said:
I didn't say it would. It did that to some of listener my friends though.
I suspect my speakers too may play a role in this. Their accuracy, precision, dynamics, and "big-and-bold" sound are out of this world. You should try something of their kind if you can. Revelatory and life-transforming, and they really show the sound source for what it really is -- in this case, something pretty impressive indeed.
That must have been it. You should change your moniker to Mr. Hyperbole.
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Post by chenzl November 3, 2012 (2913 of 4131)
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bissie said:
Would it then be reasonable to assume that the recordings are 16/44,1?
I cannot remember, if 24-bit high-res was available in 1992-4. but I think not. Equally, almost all labels had - at that time - stopped recording in analogue.
If 16/44,1, is there any reason to believe that SACD single layer would add anything to the sound quality, anything at all?
Robert
I have been a fan of BIS recordings since the early 80s. The Sibelius digital recordings by Jarvi were some of my first contact with classical music. I would love them to be re-issued on Hybrid SACDs.
Mr Robert, I believe if these (and other) recordings were remastered with care, skill and with latest technology, I am sure the sound would be improved and value added on SACDs?
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Post by Polarius T November 3, 2012 (2914 of 4131)
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Euell Neverno said:
Mr. Hyperbole.
No hyperbole at all. In one case I had to interrupt the listening, with the listener jumping up and stepping back, saying it was "too scary" the way the sound filled the room (not a question of SPLs but of the quality of the soundfield, timbres, and the projection). And she was a performing musician quite used to being in the middle of it. But not in the privacy of someone's home I guess.
Now let's return to the thread topic, would you mind.
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Polarius T said:
No hyperbole at all. In one case I had to interrupt the listening, with the listener jumping up and stepping back, saying it was "too scary" the way the sound filled the room (not a question of SPLs but of the quality of the soundfield, timbres, and the projection). And she was a performing musician quite used to being in the middle of it. But not in the privacy of someone's home I guess.
Now let's return to the thread topic, would you mind.
Of course, we can shift from the BS concerning "the accuracy, dynamics and 'big and bold'" sound of your speakers to BIS. From BS back to BIS.
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Post by Mason November 3, 2012 (2916 of 4131)
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bissie said:
Would it then be reasonable to assume that the recordings are 16/44,1?
I cannot remember, if 24-bit high-res was available in 1992-4. but I think not. Equally, almost all labels had - at that time - stopped recording in analogue.
If 16/44,1, is there any reason to believe that SACD single layer would add anything to the sound quality, anything at all?
Robert
This 12 disc CD set has been out of print for years, fetching exorbitant prices on the used resale market. I think it's Sacd rerelease is more about the convenience of the long single layer Sacd playing time than its superior audio quality. The originals are 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
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Post by bissie November 3, 2012 (2917 of 4131)
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Mason said:
This 12 disc CD set has been out of print for years, fetching exorbitant prices on the used resale market. I think it's Sacd rerelease is more about the convenience of the long single layer Sacd playing time than its superior audio quality. The originals are 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
That only changes my question to the following:
does the harmonia mundi "Japanese" set of single layer SACD:s use the possibility of making extra long programmes of 16/44,1 recordings? If yes, well and good - we premièred that with the Bach Complete Organ works on 5 single-layer SACD:s for the price of 2 CD:s, and followed it up with single discs of Mendelssohn complete string symphonies, Mendelssohn Complete Concertos and Dowland Complete Lute music, each of them having the equivalent of 4 CD:s, at the price of a single CD.
If that is what hm did, hats off. If the single layer SACD:s just have 16/44,1 programme with one CD duration per SACD, I would be slightly less complimentary.
Robert
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Post by Mason November 3, 2012 (2918 of 4131)
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bissie said:
That only changes my question to the following:
does the harmonia mundi "Japanese" set of single layer SACD:s use the possibility of making extra long programmes of 16/44,1 recordings? If yes, well and good - we premièred that with the Bach Complete Organ works on 5 single-layer SACD:s for the price of 2 CD:s, and followed it up with single discs of Mendelssohn complete string symphonies, Mendelssohn Complete Concertos and Dowland Complete Lute music, each of them having the equivalent of 4 CD:s, at the price of a single CD.
If that is what hm did, hats off. If the single layer SACD:s just have 16/44,1 programme with one CD duration per SACD, I would be slightly less complimentary.
Robert
They only reduced the original 12 discs to 8 SACDs. Japanese retail sites are offering it pre-release for 31,500 Yen, that's over 400 dollars with international shipping. Anyway you slice it, a bad deal for consumers. I shouldn't have assumed they would mke good use of the medium.
Also I see that I could be wrong about it being 16 bit. It is possible those were done at 20 bit 44.1 kHz. I do not know how much of an aural improvement that would be over the Redbook release.
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bissie said:
That only changes my question to the following:
does the harmonia mundi "Japanese" set of single layer SACD:s use the possibility of making extra long programmes of 16/44,1 recordings? If yes, well and good - we premièred that with the Bach Complete Organ works on 5 single-layer SACD:s for the price of 2 CD:s, and followed it up with single discs of Mendelssohn complete string symphonies, Mendelssohn Complete Concertos and Dowland Complete Lute music, each of them having the equivalent of 4 CD:s, at the price of a single CD.
Thanks. I didn't know about these extended play BIS bargain recordings.
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Post by Adrian Cue November 4, 2012 (2920 of 4131)
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Bissie said:
So, my advice still is: if you want to have the superior artistry of long-gone geniuses, fine. .... When you want REAL sound quality with the best artists around today and on SACD in Mch - do turn to Penta, Channel, Chandos etc etc. If you don't, we can't deliver. Simple as that.
Many labels have already disbanded Super Audio and the future availability of hi-res multi-channel recordings can no longer be taken for granted.
I have nothing against re-issuing important historic material (who has?), but not just anything for making (excessive) commercial gains with a kind of ‘fake’ super audio, thus competing on a non-level playing field with the (expensive) production of the real thing.
I share Bissie’s view that in most cases (the exception confirming the rule) it will not add much, if at all, to the original quality (in some cases it can even be worse).
Much as we like the heroes of the past, there is so much to enjoy from the talents of today. And isn’t it in our interest to be able to continue to listen to these talents in the best available quality?
We would be well advised to keep those, who still make the effort, in high regard. Not listening to or showing understanding for what ‘the trade’ tells us can be self-defeating.
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