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there seems to be almost no base when i play sacds on my denon 2200 univ. dvd player through my yamaha rx-v 1400 . When i play dvd movies like u-571 the bass in chapter 15 blows you out of the water, any ideas?
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fishingguy said:
there seems to be almost no base when i play sacds on my denon 2200 univ. dvd player through my yamaha rx-v 1400 . When i play dvd movies like u-571 the bass in chapter 15 blows you out of the water, any ideas?
I'm ever so slowly getting a handle on all this. Assuming you have a sub hooked up to your .1: Directors specifically stick low bass on that channel for DVDs, SACD recording engineers don't always, and esp. Classical recording engineers, rarely. Do you have a cross-over setting for bass, or only the selection of "large, med, and small" for speakers? Consult these areas of your owner's manual to see if your settings are starving the sub. With my Univeral I can configure my speaker setting for both DVD and SACD. Maybe the settings are all wrong for SACD, or maybe they contradict each other between the Universal and the receiver.
John
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Post by nickc May 4, 2004 (3 of 18)
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fishingguy said:
there seems to be almost no base when i play sacds on my denon 2200 univ. dvd player through my yamaha rx-v 1400 . When i play dvd movies like u-571 the bass in chapter 15 blows you out of the water, any ideas?
jdaniel is right. it depends what type of speakers you have. you can't redirect the bass to your subwoofer if you have one like with dvds because the record companies in their infinite wisdom don't allow digital connections between sacd players and amps. Well, they do but only if you buy the really top of the line, expensive players and amps which I can't afford! :( If you have "small" speakers all around and the sacd is not 5.1 (and most classical discs have no separate subwoofer signal, I can't comment on jazz or rock titles) then your small speakers are carrying all the bass signal and would not be able to fully repeoduce the bass. If you have "large" front speakers they should be able to reproduce the bass and unfortunately I'm not sure what the problem could be then.
best wishes
nick
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nickc said:
jdaniel is right. it depends what type of speakers you have. you can't redirect the bass to your subwoofer if you have one like with dvds because the record companies in their infinite wisdom don't allow digital connections between sacd players and amps. Well, they do but only if you buy the really top of the line, expensive players and amps which I can't afford! :( If you have "small" speakers all around and the sacd is not 5.1 (and most classical discs have no separate subwoofer signal, I can't comment on jazz or rock titles) then your small speakers are carrying all the bass signal and would not be able to fully repeoduce the bass. If you have "large" front speakers they should be able to reproduce the bass and unfortunately I'm not sure what the problem could be then.
best wishes
nick
If your Universal offers bass-management, you *can* re-direct bass there and have it all done before it leaves the player. I'm still waiting for Sony to tell me if bass-management *in the digital front-end* is handled these day in the DSD domain of the player, and not thru the DSP. I'll keep you informed. "Soundstage," the emag also promises to answer my question in the letters section.
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Post by Nielstk May 5, 2004 (5 of 18)
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jdaniel@jps.net said:
I'm ever so slowly getting a handle on all this. Assuming you have a sub hooked up to your .1: Directors specifically stick low bass on that channel for DVDs, SACD recording engineers don't always, and esp. Classical recording engineers, rarely. Do you have a cross-over setting for bass, or only the selection of "large, med, and small" for speakers? Consult these areas of your owner's manual to see if your settings are starving the sub. With my Univeral I can configure my speaker setting for both DVD and SACD. Maybe the settings are all wrong for SACD, or maybe they contradict each other between the Universal and the receiver.
John
I had the same issue with my SACD player (Sony DVP-NS900v) and receiver (Yamaha RX-V640) and small front, center and rear speakers with sub. But I found 3 solutions. The bass management on the Yamaha has little effect on 6 channel-in, except disabling the sub.
1: connect the sub to the main speaker out B (if you sub has line-in and speaker-in). When playing SACD switch speakers B on, this will add the bass from the main front speakers to the sub. (some SACD's have the bass mixed to the center so this won't work then...).
2: connect the sub to the speaker out (no sub line in) and set the amplifier to no-sub. This will give you a full bass range to the sub.
3: on the SACD player (Sony) set the speaker sizes to small and adjust the level of the subwoofer. I've adjusted the level of the sub-woofer to + 7 db (!) to match the sound level for digital input.
After a lot of experimenting, option 3 works best for me. Having the SACD player for a year now, my conclusion is to get full range speakers for all channels. I've seen several posts suggesting the same.
When I bought my player I did not think of this, most HT buyers will have the same issue I think.
I found an interesting link on the bass management (or lack thereof) on http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/dvd_sacd2a.php
Also another forum thread /showthread/1792//y?page=first discusses this issue.
Niels
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I'm having a bit of a twist on the whole bass management issue, so I was hoping you all could help out. I'm having bass management issues I never anticipated, and I'm not sure how to sort it out.
I just purchased a Yamaha universal player, the DVD-S2500, which plays SACDs, DVD-As, and CDs, as well as DVDs. I have it hooked up to my Yamaha receiver, the HTR-5550 which is running in strictly a 2 channel setup with a couple of Aura bookshelf speakers and M&K MX-70B subwoofer. As you've probably concluded already, my sub goes on lunch break whenever I play an SACD.
The SACD player is connected to the main l/r discreet channel inputs, with the sub output connected as well. Even when utilizing the bass management in the player to direct low frequencies to the sub, it doesn't seem to work.
My receiver has extended frequency response specifically for SACD playback, but I don't know if it's limited to the 6 channel discreet inputs. If I disable the bass management, and instead send the left and right channel information through my receiver's DVD analog inputs, bypassing the 6 channel discreet inputs, would that work for bass management? I have a feeling that's too easy a solution, so it probably won't work.
The system sounds great without the sub, but the M&K's absence is definitely noticeable. It's an incredibly musical sub, and it's a shame not to have it in the mix.
I greatly appreciate any help or guidance you can give me on this one. I'm all "bass managemented" out, and my head hurts.
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Perhaps it could be useful to compile a list here of SACDs that are known to have some good bass?
One that comes to mind in the pop/rock genre is this one:
Guano Apes: Don't Give Me Names
but for classical titles others here can advise better.
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My main problem is with stereo SACDs. It seems the bass is severly lacking as I am getting absolutely nothing out of the sub. I only have the option for "Large" or "Small" speakers on both my Oppo player and receiver.
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rosenkavalier817 said:
My main problem is with stereo SACDs. It seems the bass is severly lacking as I am getting absolutely nothing out of the sub. I only have the option for "Large" or "Small" speakers on both my Oppo player and receiver.
That seems very natural to me: when you play a stereo SACD, only your front left and right speaker will be used -- the rear speakers, center speaker and subwoofer are basically disconnected (unless you use a pseudo-surround setting on your receiver, such as Dolby pro Logic). In short, stereo is 2.0, not 2.1.
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Post by Claude May 23, 2007 (10 of 18)
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Sorry, I know little about 5.1 setups, but when small front speakers are being used, can't the subwoofer be configured to support the speakers in the bass range, even with a stereo signal? The center and surround speakers will of course be silent.
That was the use of a subwoofer before home theatre made it an integral part of the sound reproduction chain. I'm sure there must be a configuration setting in the surround receiver to use the subwoofer also for stereo playback.
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