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Sigfred said:
Component gives better picture quality than composite or s-video. SCART is widely used in Europe and combines both video and audio, and should give better picture quality than composite or s-video. As of which is better (component or SCART) I do not know
As of audio: with no HDMI I would guess that analog is better when playing hybrid SACD. You would have to try this for yourself.
> What is best approach: composite (component) or s-video to my Denon 3803,
> then connect my 3803 to my television?
> or PS3 direct to my television with an adapted cable?
Note that composite and component are very different things!
The ranking in order of quality is:
1) CVBS (Composite video)
2) S-video (Y/C)
3) Component video (RGB or YCrCb)
4) Digital (HDMI)
SCART can provide CVBS or RGB. Fully connected cables deliver RGB, and so will the Sony PS AV-out-to-SCART cable. Few if any AV receivers handle SCART so if you use this connection it'll have to be direct to your TV set.
> Are there adapted cables HDMI to SCART?
There are not. One is digital, the other analog. Only between HDMI and DVI you can convert without needing some active processing device.
> All my component inputs besides two SCARTs are located on the front of my television.
Probably you have CVBS (yellow cinch connector) and perhaps S-Video there but surely not component video. Avoid CVBS at all cost.
> Do I run my audio out on the PS3 digital (optical) to my 3803 for the best digital sound?
Because the optical SPDIF output will be silent during SACD playback you'll have to use the analog stereo connection to hear any SACD. I'm not sure what this output carries when playing a multichannel SACD but probably simply the left and right front channels so that's not to be recommended either. Just play the stereo tracks until you upgrade to an HDMI receiver.
> Do I need to upgrade the RCA two channel output cables and connect these to my 3803 for the best SACD two channel sound?
Do you mean the AV-out cable for PS3? I don't think you can upgrade that. It's a dedicated cable for this proprietary output but you could take a look if there are third-party accessory suppliers that offer alternatives.
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swestbom said:
Has anyone noticed that the new STR-DA5300ES receiver from Sony still has no native DSD support (just like the 5200). No DSD support in the US since the demise of the unlamented 7100. It seems like Sony has truly abandoned the format. I suspect that is why the PS-3 doesn't output DSD natively and probably won't despite the plethora of new receivers from other manufacturers that do support it via HDMI-1.2a or 1.3a.
I don't think so. Sony (and others) may have abandoned DSD via i.Link like the TA-DA9000ES receiver and the SCD-XA9000ES had but they definitely haven't abandoned the DSD format.
Sony's latest VAIO Type R desktop model features a so-called DSD Direct Player function (see thread /showthread/21203/21210/y#21210 )
More to the point, Sony today announced a new AV receiver, the TA-DA5300ES. This is apparently a different one than the STR-DA5300ES and is the first one from Sony to feature DSD input via HDMI.
See http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/200708/07-0807/ or http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070807/sony1.htm (sorry, both in Japanese)
Now it's surely not going to last long until Sony announces a new DVD player or, more likely, BD player with SACD playback and DSD output via HDMI. Plus, hopefully, a firmware upgrade for PS3 to enable DSD output.
EDIT: as it turns out, the two DA5300ES receivers (STR~ and TA~) are actually the same model (apart from the colour). They just have different type numbers in the US and Japan. Both feature DSD input via HDMI, though as long as PS3 delivers multichannel PCM via HDMI that's what you'll have to use.
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Post by dlevans August 7, 2007 (103 of 243)
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Thank you for the quick answers to my HDMI-less dilema.
I think it will be best to remain in 2 channel SACD on my PS3 until I upgrade my receiver. My Denon 2900 plays my multichannel just fine.
I'll run the optical digital out to my Denon to get digital sound for redbook, blu-ray and games.
I have seen Monster cables that do scart/s-video that I can run from my Denon receiver to my television.
Then I can hook up my PS3 direct to my receiver with the AV/component. I suppose I might be losing a little resolution from my reciever to my television, but not alot (i hope).
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dlevans said:
Thank you for the quick answers to my HDMI-less dilema.
I think it will be best to remain in 2 channel SACD on my PS3 until I upgrade my receiver. My Denon 2900 plays my multichannel just fine.
I'll run the optical digital out to my Denon to get digital sound for redbook, blu-ray and games.
I have seen Monster cables that do scart/s-video that I can run from my Denon receiver to my television.
Then I can hook up my PS3 direct to my receiver with the AV/component. I suppose I might be losing a little resolution from my reciever to my television, but not alot (i hope).
Has your TV got an HDMI or RGB input? If so, just run a HDMI direct from your PS3, and run the sound to your receiver. No point degrading your picture signal.
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FunkyMonkey said:
Has your TV got an HDMI or RGB input? If so, just run a HDMI direct from your PS3, and run the sound to your receiver. No point degrading your picture signal.
If you use HDMI to feed video directly from your PS3 to your TV set you can't use it simultaneously to feed audio to your AV receiver since the console's only got one HDMI output. I believe there's no such thing as a (passive) HDMI 'splitter' so an HDMI chain from PS3 via receiver to TV set is the best viable option.
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Post by dlevans August 10, 2007 (107 of 243)
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My television has only two scart connection in the rear (only one of the two is RGB). I am not aware of a PS3 cable that goes from HDMI to SCART. To make matters more complicated I want to keep my Denon 2900 DVD/SACD player connected to my television because of it's region code free benefits. Apart from my 2900 I also have digital tuner/set-top box from my cable company for digital cable.
So, If one SCART is for my 2900 than the other needs to be a component/SCART running from my AV receiver. Then the PS3 will be hooked up to my AV reciever as well as my Digital tuner.
I am really curious if the PS3 will beat my Denon 2900 on sound quality with redbook and 2-channel SACD, especially seeing the latest upgrade (1.9 I beleive) that includes upsampling on redbook.
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The Seventh Taylor said:
If you use HDMI to feed video directly from your PS3 to your TV set you can't use it simultaneously to feed audio to your AV receiver since the console's only got one HDMI output. I believe there's no such thing as a (passive) HDMI 'splitter' so an HDMI chain from PS3 via receiver to TV set is the best viable option.
He DID say, "I think it will be best to remain in 2 channel SACD on my PS3 until I upgrade my receiver", so I figured the HDMI signal would go to the receiver, and HDMI to TV for best picture. But it's a moot point because it's pre-digital TV by the sounds of it.
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dlevans said:
My television has only two scart connection in the rear (only one of the two is RGB). I am not aware of a PS3 cable that goes from HDMI to SCART. To make matters more complicated I want to keep my Denon 2900 DVD/SACD player connected to my television because of it's region code free benefits. Apart from my 2900 I also have digital tuner/set-top box from my cable company for digital cable.
So, If one SCART is for my 2900 than the other needs to be a component/SCART running from my AV receiver. Then the PS3 will be hooked up to my AV reciever as well as my Digital tuner.
I am really curious if the PS3 will beat my Denon 2900 on sound quality with redbook and 2-channel SACD, especially seeing the latest upgrade (1.9 I beleive) that includes upsampling on redbook.
Unelss your TV has component, which you could use for the PS3, the simplest thing to do is get a remote controlled (or automatic) multi-scart adaptor. If you live in GB, these are pretty cheap from Argos or Maplin.
My Philips DVp720-SA (RRP of £150, got for £70 on sale 2 years ago)is far superior to the PS3 for both SACD and CD playback. So I don't think the PS3 has a chance against the 2900. Having said that, when (if?) the PS3 gets DSD over HDMI then the Philips will be ditched and I will let me amp to the decoding and DAC'ing.
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Post by dobyblue August 20, 2007 (110 of 243)
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I will use the PS3 for SACD until I pick up an Oppo 890H early next year.
With DSD support through HDMI and DVD-A as well and at only US$169 it is a steal.
If they add DVD-A support for PS3 before then I will forego the Oppo.
I will be using the Onkyo 875 for my HDMI receiver. It accepts DSD directly through HDMI and has 140w/channel, DTS-MA and TrueHD decoding and HQV Reon processing with 24/192 BB chipsets for all channels.
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