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nucaleena said:
dear jd, - why not mix your systems? It can be done without compromising stereo quality (I use a stereo pre-amp and amps as well as a sep't SR for rears and centre) and you'd have the option of multi-channel using your fav. speakers. I ran my SACDs originally on stereo, but I don't think I could go back now. MC's got me! Also, why would you need two DVD players? Sell one or move it to the bedroom. Can't recommend M/C strongly enough, - the extra sense of involvement and drama is addictive. Cheers.
Because I've been scrimping and saving for 2(!) years to put together the perfect two-channel system. Just let me enjoy it for a year or two without the wandering eye. : ) There may be many of us who can afford hi-res players, but can't afford to expand their system to surround right now. My point was *not* to start a war between 2-ch and multi, it was to suggest that those who want to install hi-res into their *current* mid to high end 2-ch system won't buy won't buy DVD-A. They (I) tend to want to keep their electronics as clean, uncluttered and dedicated as possible--no video stuff in the ciruitry please. I'm predicting that these people will tip the balance in favor of SACD in the format war, as there are high-end manufacturers, (Musical Fidelity, Classe, Marantz), who are addressing this need by supplying 2-ch SACD players of a very high quality, and we'll be buying software. (I *do* like the idea of a separate surround amp--where do you plug it in to the system? No Y-connects I hope!)
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jdaniel@jps.net said:
Because I've been scrimping and saving for 2(!) years to put together the perfect two-channel system. Just let me enjoy it for a year or two without the wandering eye. : ) There may be many of us who can afford hi-res players, but can't afford to expand their system to surround right now. My point was *not* to start a war between 2-ch and multi, it was to suggest that those who want to install hi-res into their *current* mid to high end 2-ch system won't buy won't buy DVD-A. They (I) tend to want to keep their electronics as clean, uncluttered and dedicated as possible--no video stuff in the ciruitry please. I'm predicting that these people will tip the balance in favor of SACD in the format war, as there are high-end manufacturers, (Musical Fidelity, Classe, Marantz), who are addressing this need by supplying 2-ch SACD players of a very high quality, and we'll be buying software. (I *do* like the idea of a separate surround amp--where do you plug it in to the system? No Y-connects I hope!)
jd, I run my stereo channels into my Quad pre-amp and thence to quad valve mono blocks. The rear and centre interconnects run to a Denon surround amp which powers only those speakers. I can turn them on or leave them off as I wish, and as I move around from stereo to M/C recordings, music to cinema. No Y connects.
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Why not get a quality universal source if you can afford it? My Bel Canto Player does it all quite well. I use the analog outputs to a high quality preamp/processor (Krell) and go to a 6 channel amp (Bel Canto evo 6.1), then on to B&W speakers. Stereo and MC is great and movies are too. You can combine a home theatre and music system. I heard a lecture from Vandersteen himself saying that is the way to sell "high end". Get people to upgrade their home theatres, and then find out how good their music is.
Having heard both DVD-A and SACD, I really believe the quality of the original recording and the mixing is paramount. The Emerson Lake and Palmer DVD-A is spectacular, but others, like The Eagles Hotel California is average. Luther Vandross sounds good on DVD-A. The Beethoven Symphonies by Barenboim are good also.
However SACD has many more classical and jazz titles, and many are excellent. Both formats are good. I wonder why many of the DVD-A titles don't have a stereo option, as do all SACDs.I like stereo tracks for headphone use (late at night), but well done MC is sublime. In classical, if they just give you ambience and don't try to wow you its great. In fact, all this soudstage you supposedly have to pay big bucks for in terms of electronics and speakers, can be sustituted for by moderate speakers, good electronics and a well mixed MC track. "Air, seperation of instrumental voices, huge soundstage" In audiophile publications these cost big bucks to get from 2 channel.
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Post by Johnno April 14, 2004 (14 of 16)
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jdaniel@jps.net said:
SACD will survive because *I* bought a player and now it must. : ) I didn't go DVD-A because of the dearth of titles, (yes, no EMI and Simon Rattle, but I can live without both very easily), and because I don't mix my cheapy surround system for playing DVD's with my *serious* 2-channel system for playing CDs, and now SACDs. (How many out there won't listen to DVD-A/SACD surround because their *good* system is 2 channel?) Anyway, while the DVD-A people might think it logical that people will just slip a DVD-A player into their current surround system, I wonder if they realized that "those-who-care-about-sound" would never do any serious listening through their surround system. That leaves popping an SACD player into the 2 channel system as the most logical.
Doesn't it?
My thoughts exactly!
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Post by Blu-wav May 8, 2004 (15 of 16)
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Michael said:
Thank you all for your posts. It appears that to most of you as long as it is MC it really does not matter the format, from my listening experience I cannot argue. I respect the folks that listen to 2-channel but I prefer the MC myself. Since my player plays both formats I have an option to choose, perhaps price of the recording should be the deciding issue.
But then there's multichannel and there's multichannel. The last time I looked, space involved a front, back, left, right, up and down - but surround sound currently seems to be a ring of sound - instead of being immersed in a 3D Acoustic Holodeck. Maybe SACD 14.2 will sort it out?
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Post by nickc May 9, 2004 (16 of 16)
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Blu-wav said:
But then there's multichannel and there's multichannel. The last time I looked, space involved a front, back, left, right, up and down - but surround sound currently seems to be a ring of sound - instead of being immersed in a 3D Acoustic Holodeck. Maybe SACD 14.2 will sort it out?
hey i can't wait for 14.2 channels! (just don't tell my missus...)
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