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Euell Neverno said:
Yes, Luukas, there are many excellent SACD stereo albums, so why do you find it necessary to troll on this subject? There may be several possible reasons for stereo-only SACD recordings as, e.g., (1) the producer, such as Exton currently, records only in stereo due its perceived market.......
Euell, Exton recorded in multichannel, for years, and I'm sure their current recordings are also multitracked, as well. And Exton's 'perceived' stereo market, I'm sure, would not be contrary to include a multichannel layer as, IMHO, it would increase sales by allowing the user to choose their preferred format.
While we're at it, why doesn't Exton release ALL their stereo only SACDs as single~layered SACDs as it IS supposed to sound better by eliminating the RBCD layer which is extraneous for anyone bothering to spend the extra cash for the SACD treatment!
Universal Japan's single layered SACDs have met with great success and no one has ever complained that the RBCD layer is eliminated and they do sound superb......in STEREO (or MONO) only!
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Post by DSD July 17, 2015 (82 of 109)
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Marpow said:
I find your view point very interesting Teresa, and also to the point of this topic.
I am one that loves mch for the big sound and movement, etc.
For my knowledge, can you further explain as to why you don't like mch in any form. I don't want to disagree with you, just interested, that's all.
Hi Marpow,
Rather than try to go into all the reasons why I prefer 2-channel Stereo, I will instead direct you to my defunct website "HiRezStereo" which is combined in a single long page on my later defunct website "AnalogLovers" which has been kindly archived by "Vinyl Fanatics" http://vinylfanatics.com/analoglovers/page28.html
Even though written 9 years ago, it explains why I prefer 2-channel stereo in detail.
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rammiepie said:
Euell, Exton recorded in multichannel, for years, and I'm sure their current recordings are also multitracked, as well. And Exton's 'perceived' stereo market, I'm sure, would not be contrary to include a multichannel layer as, IMHO, it would increase sales by allowing the user to choose their preferred format.
While we're at it, why doesn't Exton release ALL their stereo only SACDs as single~layered SACDs as it IS supposed to sound better by eliminating the RBCD layer which is extraneous for anyone bothering to spend the extra cash for the SACD treatment!
Universal Japan's single layered SACDs have met with great success and no one has ever complained that the RBCD layer is eliminated and they do sound superb......in STEREO (or MONO) only!
Exton has not released new multichannel recordings in years and the company seems to have minor interest in the international market. Most SACD's are released as hybrids for the simple reason that such recordings can be sold to people who lack SACD equipment.
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (84 of 109)
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wehecht said:
Yup, those occasional vinyl pops and clicks sound just like the guy in the row ahead of me who always picks the ppp parts to unwrap his hard candy. Highly realistic!
:-)
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (85 of 109)
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steviev said:
And the hiss and rumble perfectly replicate the whirring of indoor air-conditioning fans and traffic passing by outside the hall, respectively.
Those inky black silences can be unnerving especially as concertgoers are conditioned to throat clearing exercises at every interval.
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (86 of 109)
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Disbeliever said:
I have a high end vinyl set up that I no longer bother with, whilst very good, it can not hold a candle to my mch SACD setup for the concert Hall musical experience and to infer that stereo vinyl is better is absolute nonsense.
Not so much nonsense, Gerald, as opinion.
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (87 of 109)
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Adrian Cue said:
Agreed.
People believe what they want to believe. My vinyl set up left the back door over 35 years ago. In principle one could say: music is analogue, if the whole chain is analogue it must be better. Apart from the damage one does every time a record is played (think of a groove like a narrow canyon, where a sharp thing is swept against the sides for the stereo, stumbling over the rocks at the bottom, being the dust you won’t get out) those who know how they are made, know better. Every time the original sine wave is transformed (microphone, amplifier, tape, another amp and so on) distortion creeps in. And the manufacturer has to deal with less expensive turntables as well, limiting the dynamics to avoid the needle jumping out of the groove! Add this to jumble, whine, crack, pops, hiss and the constant clicks at the same spot every time you play, and one can understand why less nostalgic people prefer Super Audio, if possible in Multi-Channel.
As with many things in life people are all too willing to pronounce the patient dead when in fact there is still plenty of life left in them. The sadness is that analogue waved the white flag of surrender at the very first sound of digital gunshot. With more determination who knows where analogue reproduction might have been 35 years on?
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (88 of 109)
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AmonRa said:
If the recorded and reproduced waveform is closer to the original, it is better. Digitally recorded and reproduced waveform is at the current state of the art about 1000 times more accurate than the best analog systems, ever.
That is all there is to it.
No it isn't!
Music does not sound like anything you've ever heard in a digital format; you do not need perfect pitch to hear this for yourself. Open your mind and HEAR what you are listening too instead of clouding your mind with data and pre-conceived ideas.
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Post by hiredfox July 17, 2015 (89 of 109)
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Euell Neverno said:
Exton has not released new multichannel recordings in years and the company seems to have minor interest in the international market.
True and their infatuation with home grown ensembles certainly guarantees a poor reception for their products beyond their shores.
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hiredfox said:
Not so much nonsense, Gerald, as opinion.
Not nonsense , how can you even express an opinion when as far as I know you have never even experienced mch SACD at home and do not possess a mch SACD player, just a not good enough (for me ) stereo only obese Marantz SA-7 S1 ( inaccurate absurd reviews) I got shot of mine after wasting 750 hours burn in time.
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