Post by nickc March 29, 2014 (11 of 21)
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ramesh said:
In terms of deploying metaphors for the Appassionata, it's hard to go more Grand Guignol than Kempff himself, who apparently described the close of the sonata as 'under the thunder of sforzati the structure of the universe breaks up. Lucifer, once the light bearer, falls from heaven into darkness.'
So there!
Pfff dear Ramesh, mere exiguous eisegesis.
I prefer Scriabin's hope for his last, unfinished piece the Mysterium:
(his) "dream was to stage the Mysterium in the Himalaya. He conceived it as a grand purification ritual where bells were to be suspended from clouds. Thousands of participants, clad in white robes, would intone his melismatic mantras with the fervor of the dervishes, expending every bit of their available energy in the service of his artistic idealism. He envisioned an orgy of the senses, and to this end created a choreography of lights, odors, colors and exotic dances. This was to have gone on for a week, leading to the apocalypse and the end of time. Thus transcended, the physical world, and ego itself would dematerialize; man would be reborn as pure concept"
Top that!!!!!
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Post by ramesh March 30, 2014 (12 of 21)
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Nick, I've noted your observation about Kempff's speed into my review so that it doesn't seem to imply Gilels matches existing speed [ or haste ] records for the Appassionata.
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Post by philus June 6, 2014 (13 of 21)
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Hi guys, I've just got my hands on this SACD, and had a spin on it. To my dismay, I notice an edited out section when transiting from track 1 to 2 in the Eroica Variations. I checked the score which I have on hand and indeed it looks like 4 bars were edited out, an there's a slight pop artifact when the transition to track 2 occurs.
Can anyone who own this disc confirms this observation? I don't have any previous red-book version so not sure if the edit (if true) exist in previous red-book release.
Thanks.
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Post by ramesh June 7, 2014 (14 of 21)
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philus said:
Hi guys, I've just got my hands on this SACD, and had a spin on it. To my dismay, I notice an edited out section when transiting from track 1 to 2 in the Eroica Variations. I checked the score which I have on hand and indeed it looks like 4 bars were edited out, an there's a slight pop artifact when the transition to track 2 occurs.
MY GOODNESS YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT!
I must've been half asleep when I listened to the opening. Final four bars removed in the repeat section just before track 2, the theme.
A friend to whom I'd given the CDs in the remastered box set has returned them to me. The CD recording is intact. The booklet timings in the booklet of the CD are : Introduzione 3'01; Tema 0'42
Esoteric SACD Introduzione 2'58; Tema 0'42
I have acknowledged your observation as an appended correction in my review.
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Post by philus June 7, 2014 (15 of 21)
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Thanks for checking and confirming.
This is disappointing, I always have high regard for Esoteric SACDs, and don't expect them to make a blotched job. The transition sounded quite unnatural. Is there anyway to highlight to them? With product at such high price, would expect at least some decent response from them.
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Post by ramesh June 7, 2014 (16 of 21)
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Theo-
if you're in Japan you're the best placed to inform Esoteric. Or try their Japanese website?
I will try to email the shop I bought it from after the weekend.
I'm glad you played the whole SACD from the start : when I received it, I only played the two sonatas, with the Variations perhaps once.
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philus said:
Hi guys, I've just got my hands on this SACD, and had a spin on it. To my dismay, I notice an edited out section when transiting from track 1 to 2 in the Eroica Variations. I checked the score which I have on hand and indeed it looks like 4 bars were edited out, and there's a slight pop artifact when the transition to track 2 occurs.
ramesh said:
MY GOODNESS YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT!
I must've been half asleep when I listened to the opening. Final four bars removed in the repeat section just before track 2, the theme.
A friend to whom I'd given the CDs in the remastered box set has returned them to me. The CD recording is intact. The booklet timings in the booklet of the CD are : Introduzione 3'01; Tema 0'42
Esoteric SACD Introduzione 2'58; Tema 0'42
I have acknowledged your observation as an appended correction in my review.
I contacted Esoteric Company yesterday, and got their reply today as follows:
"Regarding SACD ESSG-90999 you are inquiring this time, we confirmed the
contents you pointed out.
Regarding this SACD, any edit hasn't been implemented in our side because to
do mastering and produce this SACD/CD without any edits on the original
source is the condition on this contract.
Therefore currently it is almost difficult to add some edits to this source.
Although you may not be satisfied with this, we hope your kindly
understanding.
Regards,
Mitsuru Nakajima
Customer Support Section
Domestic Sales Department,
Audio Products Division
TEAC CORPORATION"
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Mmmn, now let me see....three seconds missing from a repeat on the "filler" piece against having the two best LvB sonata performances ever recorded (IMHO). Sounds like a no-brainer to me. For those who have been prevaricating, don't. Buy this!!
p.s. the sound on the variations is good, the sound on the sonatas is bl### brilliant.
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Post by ramesh June 9, 2014 (19 of 21)
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nucaleena said:
Mmmn, now let me see....three seconds missing from a repeat on the "filler" piece against having the two best LvB sonata performances ever recorded (IMHO). Sounds like a no-brainer to me. For those who have been prevaricating, don't. Buy this!!
p.s. the sound on the variations is good, the sound on the sonatas is bl### brilliant.
I agree entirely.
However, I have difficulty understanding the Anglo-Japanese in Esoteric's reply in the previous post.
I can understand a contract where the condition is that no new edits are permitted by the licensee company on the original source material.
However, this concerns missing music in the licensee's product, not missing music in the original source. I don't have the original LP release, but I am assuming the original recording did not have missing bars which were then spliced on from the relevant material in the first repeat in subsequent DGG issues.
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Post by Claude June 10, 2014 (20 of 21)
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ramesh said:
However, I have difficulty understanding the Anglo-Japanese in Esoteric's reply in the previous post.
I can understand a contract where the condition is that no new edits are permitted by the licensee company on the original source material.
It could also be a way of saying that they don't have access to the source material. Universal makes the transfer and sends them a digital file.
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