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audioholik said:
And in the meantime, Audio Fidelity have just announced they are switching to SACD for their ALL digital releases...
And may possibly be adding multichannel to some of their future titles, as well.
The decision was made because of the scarcity of Gold used in the manufacturing of the 24k Gold RBCDs.
Still, ORG should not have pulled the plug so soon unless they encountered either cold feet or mastering/manufacturing snafus.
And as undertone surmised: they failed to advertise their product and lack of exposure on Amazon was, IMO, a poor marketing decision, as well.
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Post by fausto K March 28, 2014 (12 of 42)
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what a pity. I would have liked to have Coleman's Free Jazz on SACD. And while we're on the topic of collective improvisation, when oh when is the 1965 Coltrane masterpiece "Ascension" going to be released on SACD? All earlier Coltrane is good and well, but nothing compares to Ascension (well, Interstellar Space does). Jazz fans tend to be conservative, hence the total lack of free jazz on SACD.
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fausto K said:
what a pity. I would have liked to have Coleman's Free Jazz on SACD. And while we're on the topic of collective improvisation, when oh when is the 1965 Coltrane masterpiece "Ascension" going to be released on SACD? All earlier Coltrane is good and well, but nothing compares to Ascension (well, Interstellar Space does). Jazz fans tend to be conservative, hence the total lack of free jazz on SACD.
The artists you mentioned were on the Impulse label but unfortunately, AP (and Acoustic Sounds) only released approximately 25 Impulse SACDs and really none were free form jazz releases. Ironically, back in the early QUAD Vinyl days, Impulse released some Alice Coltrane and Sun Ra in QS Quad and I believe Ascension and/or Interstellar Space also had a Quad release.
Pharoah Sanders also has had no SACD releases and I fear that we'll probably never see any avant garde free form jazz releases as they are a very small niche within a niche....unless some small enterprising SACD reissue company miraculously manifests itself.
I can only imagine how great they'd sound in 4.0 multichannel, fausto K!
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Post by cupboy March 28, 2014 (14 of 42)
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The only ORG product I've ever bought was the SACD Sly & The Family Stone. Didn't see anything on the cancelled list that I would have bought. I guess I should buy a 2nd copy of the Sly & The Family Stone title now.
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fausto K said:
Jazz fans tend to be conservative
...as opposed to classical music fans? :-)
The discussion board here is dominated by the Sibeliuses, Waltons, Vaughan Williamses, and Tchaikovskys among the composers. The newest stuff people really get excited about is from one hundred years ago pretty soon.
I btw agree wholeheartedly that those JC albums would be just AWESOME to have on SACD. Only they would sell exactly 2 copies each.
Not going to get the "Free Jazz" and "This Is Our Music" now is nevertheless the bummer of this still young century for me.
Undertone did a fabulous job to get the ORG Music titles moving, but the analysis put forth here is probably right (on top of what you say, FK, which I actually do think is absolutely true). I don't think there was enough dedication there, but also not enough demand. Really too bad.
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cupboy said:
The only ORG product I've ever bought was the SACD Sly & The Family Stone. Didn't see anything on the cancelled list that I would have bought. I guess I should buy a 2nd copy of the Sly & The Family Stone title now.
You might want to hold off as SONY is going to release There's A Riot Going On in the BD~A format very shortly. I do know there was a QUAD mix released in the 70's on Vinyl of Sly & The Family Stone's Greatest Hits so I'm sure there are some QUAD remasters of TARGO in the vaults!
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For what it's worth, there's some excellent free jazz available on SACD at very reasonable prices.
Tony Malaby has 2 titles on Songlines, both of which are, to my ear, absolutely stunning sonically and musically:
Tony Malaby: Apparitions
Tony Malaby Cello Trio: Warblepeck
Neos has one title by William Parker, although it stays mainly in new classical vein, rather than his usual 60s revivalism:
Winter Sun Crying - William Parker & ICI Ensemble
And Misha Mengelberg has a couple of DSD/SACD discs, one with free jazz all-stars Dave Douglas and Han Bennink:
Misha Mengelberg Quartet: Four In One
And there's apparently some late Eric Dolphy on the way from Analogue Productions, which gives hope for more reissues of classic 'out' music.
Speaking of which, why didn't Mofi produce an SACD of Live/Dead? Seems that would move in more markets than the studio sessions they're putting out, no?
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I'm afraid that Stereophile contributor Kal Rubinson was right on the money when he recently posted that regarding SACD reissues, both the major music glomerates as well as the reissue releasing companies are wary of titles that don't possess "clout...." meaning they have little or no 'immediate' recognition to the record buying public.
I'm afraid, even if ORG had proceeded with all the aforementioned SACD reissues, they'd probably end up in the red regarding projected sales figures.
Matchstickstatue is correct: Canadian Company Songlines released a small treasuretrove of SACD multichannel titles, some DSD recorded/some discrete multichannel, and if it's a taste of the avant garde, free form jazz you so covet, snatch them up before they go OOP! And the sound IS impeccable!
And if there is such a thing as a format war, Vinyl has certainly won out in the jazz and rock/pop department, hands down, over SACD reissues!
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fausto K said:
And while we're on the topic of collective improvisation, when oh when is the 1965 Coltrane masterpiece "Ascension" going to be released on SACD? All earlier Coltrane is good and well, but nothing compares to Ascension...
Ascension on SACD? While we're waiting... How about the only appearance on SACD of Sun Ra's genius tenor sax player, John Gilmore?
Freddie Hubbard: The Artistry of Freddie Hubbard
Gilmore's playing (and Eric Dolphy's) in the 1960-61 period inspired 'Trane to experiment with modes and non-Western musical forms. John Gilmore made only a handful of LPs outside of Sun Ra's controlling influence. I was fortunate to see Gilmore with the Sun Ra Arkestra several times in the 1980s -- he was a tremendous player even in his later years.
The Freddie Hubbard set isn't as adventurous as "Free Jazz" or "Ascension", but Freddie did participate in both of those celebrated recordings. His early work was positioned between post-bop and free jazz. The Analogue SACD is worth hearing.
Along with the Songlines SACDs that Matchstickstatue listed (and that Rammie has praised in a number of posts), here a couple of recent recordings that I find musically adventurous:
Eric Vloeimans: Oliver's cinema
Tony Overwater Trio: Jungle Boldie
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About the topic title, what real happen there is a lack of propaganda from sony in SACD.
Or in other words: lack of interest in SACD from SONY.
The wide public will accept SACD format if Sony do some advert to sell the format to the public.
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