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canonical said:
...Or perhaps something slightly unusual has happened ... like someone selling you a second-hand copy in the correct SACD box, but swapping out the SACD disc, and putting inside instead a standard CD (instead of the SACD). This actually happened to me once, when I purchased the Sony Yo-Yo Ma Kodaly SACD, and there was some naughtiness involved on the part of the seller.
On that particular disc, it might have been a packaging error. I was in the Princeton Record Exchange once where they had 3 copies of the SACD packaging, with a RBCD in each one.
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Post by stvnharr March 13, 2014 (12 of 37)
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posbwp55 said:
OK, I am getting ready for work so I will give you just one. Hillary Hahn Mendelssohn, Shostakovich. The Sony catalog number is 89921. This is a DSD recording NOT a SACD. I have the APL Master SACD player ($35,000). It defaults to the SACD layer. There is no SACD layer on this CD.
Bart
You are correct that this is a DSD recording. But it was issued originally as a rbcd, and then later as a single layer sacd.Sony never did hybrids in their early releases, just single layer discs of already issued rbcd's. The 2 Hilary Hahn discs are like that. You didn't mention if your disc came labeled, packaged, etc. as sacd or rbcd.
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I suspect the OP is relatively new to the SACD world, or at least this site. A little background, then. While there are a lot of SACDs out there, in many cases the SACD version is extremely rare, while a "DSD Mastered" regular CD of the same recording is commonplace.
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Post by EmNat March 13, 2014 (14 of 37)
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posbwp55 said:
OK, I am getting ready for work so I will give you just one. Hillary Hahn Mendelssohn, Shostakovich. The Sony catalog number is 89921. This is a DSD recording NOT a SACD. I have the APL Master SACD player ($35,000). It defaults to the SACD layer. There is no SACD layer on this CD.
Bart
I owned this single-layer SACD.
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Post by zeus March 13, 2014 (15 of 37)
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posbwp55 said:
OK, I am getting ready for work so I will give you just one. Hillary Hahn Mendelssohn, Shostakovich. The Sony catalog number is 89921. This is a DSD recording NOT a SACD. I have the APL Master SACD player ($35,000). It defaults to the SACD layer. There is no SACD layer on this CD.
My copy of this disc (SS 89921) is a single-layer SA-CD, exactly as listed here. Sometimes a pressing run is exhausted and the serial number and/or barcode is recycled. This may have been the case here, if so all links get pulled to prevent confusion. The only way to confirm this is for you to post a rear image of the copy in your possession. In future use the "report errors" link on the respective title page if you suspect there is an error or incomplete listing. Thanks.
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posbwp55 said:
Hillary Hahn Mendelssohn, Shostakovich. The Sony catalog number is 89921. This is a DSD recording NOT a SACD.
Sony is somewhat misleading, the sa-cd version is SS 89921 (barcode: 0696998992160), the cd-version is SK 89921 (barcode: 5099708992125).
Only one letter in the serial makes the difference between sa-cd and cd. This is typical for sony, but also for hyperion, chandos and many others, especially the older titles. In many cases artwork is (almost) identical, for cd and sa-cd versions
I checked, at the moment, for the Hahn-Mendelsshohn, the european amazon links is to a japanese version which has barcode 4547366009255, the american amazon to the original version with barcode 0696998992160.
On amazon, ASIN codes refer to one barcode only. So, if you fill in the barcode of the received version, and a different ASIN shows up from the one you ordered, you can claim you didn't get the ordered article. Even if title and artist are the same.
Also, the sa-cd logo is always on the disc, and almost always printed on the back. (Some early Rolling Stones didn't)
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Post by akiralx March 13, 2014 (17 of 37)
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stvnharr said:
You are correct that this is a DSD recording. But it was issued originally as a rbcd, and then later as a single layer sacd.Sony never did hybrids in their early releases, just single layer discs of already issued rbcd's.
Yes, I had to buy HH's Brahms Concerto on SACD and RBCD (for the car etc) separately...
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posbwp55 said:
OK, I am getting ready for work so I will give you just one. Hillary Hahn Mendelssohn, Shostakovich. The Sony catalog number is 89921. This is a DSD recording NOT a SACD. I have the APL Master SACD player ($35,000). It defaults to the SACD layer. There is no SACD layer on this CD.
Bart
Bart,
The SACD recording is probably out of print. I have an SACD copy of it purchased when it first came out. On my much cheaper Sony SCD XA9000 ES, this recording registers as SACD and all five channels come through just like with all my other 5 channel SACDS.
Bruce
(edit) my assumption that it is out of print is borne up by the price of it on Amazon - $248.00!
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Post by posbwp55 March 13, 2014 (19 of 37)
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I just checked the Sony catalog number on the CD case and the CD they are the same as the number on the posted reviews SK 89921. I also tried it again in the
player in case it didn't default to SACD. No dice, there is no SACD layer on the disc. I also noted that there are no SACD logos on the case or disc. In my experience, all SACD's have the logo on both the case and disc. The same is true of the Brahms/Stravinsky disc. I have another two or three discs that are on this site but not actually SACD. Those that claim their Hahn discs are SACD, check the catalog number and see if it differs from the one I have. The number on mine as previously stated matches the number on this site.
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posbwp55 said:
I just checked the Sony catalog number on the CD case and the CD they are the same as the number on the posted reviews SK 89921. I also tried it again in the
player in case it didn't default to SACD. No dice, there is no SACD layer on the disc. I also noted that there are no SACD logos on the case or disc. In my experience, all SACD's have the logo on both the case and disc. The same is true of the Brahms/Stravinsky disc. I have another two or three discs that are on this site but not actually SACD. Those that claim their Hahn discs are SACD, check the catalog number and see if it differs from the one I have. The number on mine as previously stated matches the number on this site.
As others stated, sometimes the same number was used for both the SACD and the RBCD, and later this would be a problem since when the SACD went out of print, they never changed the number. That's why we all have problems and it's really the label's issue.
However, as pointed out by others, the discs they have are SACDs not RBCDs.
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