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steviev said:
Not true. My Oppo 103 is set to DSD output and it certainly allows for distance adjustment.
But are you actually getting DSD output?
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Post by abind February 9, 2014 (22 of 51)
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Kal Rubinson said:
But are you actually getting DSD output?
Exactly! Thank you, Kal.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. If you implement any of the adjustments, or if you have HDMI hooked up to a TV and the Audio is ON, even if you have the HDMI output set to DSD, the Oppo will default to PCM. All such adjustments are of necessity done in the PCM mode.
So, to be clear, if you want the Oppo to decode in DSD only without converting to PCM at some point, you need to have the HDMI audio to the TV set to off, and either have the HDMI output set to DSD and going to a processor that can accept DSD ( eg the Onkyo's) OR run regular audio cables out to an analog pre amp or directly to amplifiers, but without implementing the Oppo's audio adjustments: no bass management, no volume adjustments between channels, and no distance adjustment. Otherwise, the Oppo is converting the signal to PCM, whether or not you are aware of it.
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Will the Oppo actually accept DSD from external sources via USB, or only decode DSD from discs? I've read comments suggesting the latter.
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Post by Timmer February 9, 2014 (24 of 51)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
Will the Oppo actually accept DSD from external sources via USB, or only decode DSD from discs? I've read comments suggesting the latter.
Yes, I download DSD files from websites like bluecoastrecords.com . From there I just need to put them on my usb drive and hook it up to the oppo.
Like others have said, I figured out I need to set HDMI audio to off and use the internal dsd decoder in the oppo to get true dsd playback. I'm using the rca analog outputs on the back going to my headphone amp.
I don't know who suggested you can only decode with disks, but here's an article from stereophile.com
http://www.stereophile.com/content/news-flash-oppo-now-plays-dsd-files
v/r,
Tim
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Post by Links February 9, 2014 (25 of 51)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
Will the Oppo actually accept DSD from external sources via USB, or only decode DSD from discs? I've read comments suggesting the latter.
64x DSD files (dff and dsf) can be played via flash drive or external hard drive on the
103 and 105, stereo and multi-channel 5.1.
Or, if discs are still desired, you can burn 64x DSD to DVD-R or BD-R
and include a CUE sheet for selecting tracks.
(BD-R will be needed for multi-channel files which will likely exceed the capacity
of a single layer DVD-R)
128x DSD may be enabled in the 103D and 105D but I have not received my 105D yet.
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Timmer said:
I don't know who suggested you can only decode with disks, but here's an article from stereophile.com
I searched and found back the complaint, and the person actually writes he can't play DSD files from his *PC*. I guess he was aiming for streaming and this is not supported?
ETA: Correction -- I just found back the article stating the latest firmware upgrade for the Oppo 103 & 105 adds support for DSD64 via DLNA.
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Post by Links February 9, 2014 (27 of 51)
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The Seventh Taylor said:
I searched and found back the complaint, and the person actually writes he can't play DSD files from his *PC*. I guess he was aiming for streaming and this is not supported?
ETA: Correction -- I just found back the article stating the latest firmware upgrade for the Oppo 103 & 105 adds support for DSD64 via DLNA.
The new 105(D) edition adds DSD64 and DSD128 support to the USB DAC port (B port)
This is a hardware change and will not be a firmware upgrade for the 105.
So if this is important to you and you have a 105 on order, cancel now, spend the
xtra $100 and order the 105(D).
Also new in the 105(D) the ability to send DSD over HDMI on the HDMI-1 output
(this was only possible on the HDMI-2 output of the BDP-105)
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Post by Ad Rhenum February 19, 2014 (28 of 51)
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I have the 105D for three weeks. I like this player most for the great accuracy in multichannel playback.
Did also some experiments in dsd streaming. 2L.no has some samples in several formats available for free. Could get my NAS streaming DSD quitte easily, in DSD64, 2 channel and multichannel, and could stream hires flac as well.
Had some strugle with streaming over the usb-dac, but with some internet searching got that working too. The streaming will be (some sort of) DoP: DSD disguised as PCM (DSD64|5645 kbps|176400 Hz) (DSD128|11290 kbps|176400 Hz), 2 channel only.
Especially streaming DSD64mch over ethernet I found very exciting. The other format with multichannel music form 2L I listened to, was 24/96 flac. Quite surprising how much better dsd64 sounds compared to pcm24/96, where as the original recording format was dxd, which is said to be equally suitable for dsd as for pcm.
Also the sound quality of DSD128 is noticably better then DSD64.
But I have doubts about the use of a usb-dac. Connecting a computer to you player would make sense if the computer has to do some sound processing. But with DSD playback you only want the computer to deliver bitperfect and in time, so the buffer on the player does not run empty. Preferably bypassing anything on the computer. In my opinion servers, such as a NAS, are the dedicated machines to do so. (And if you want your music processed, why not do so on a computer and save the resulting files to a NAS.)
After some internet reading I think we are heading for DSD256 as the standard for high-quality download files. Because with DSD256, "signal and noise no longer overlap": filtering (digital) noise will not effect the music, as I understand it. Also DSD is more efficient in file size for high-quality content.
So, this is a great player, but in a rapidly changing market for dsd-streaming, it might soon be outdated by machines that can play even higher resolution dsd.
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Ad Rhenum said:
But I have doubts about the use of a usb-dac. Connecting a computer to you player would make sense if the computer has to do some sound processing. But with DSD playback you only want the computer to deliver bitperfect and in time, so the buffer on the player does not run empty. Preferably bypassing anything on the computer. In my opinion servers, such as a NAS, are the dedicated machines to do so. (And if you want your music processed, why not do so on a computer and save the resulting files to a NAS.)
After some internet reading I think we are heading for DSD256 as the standard for high-quality download files. Because with DSD256, "signal and noise no longer overlap": filtering (digital) noise will not effect the music, as I understand it. Also DSD is more efficient in file size for high-quality content.
So, this is a great player, but in a rapidly changing market for dsd-streaming, it might soon be outdated by machines that can play even higher resolution dsd.
Well, a NAS is also a computer and has to support a decent user interface application so it is more like a remote computer than just a server.
Also, I do not see DSD256 becoming a standard for downloads for the foreseeable future, if ever. First, the sheer size of the files complicates download and storage. Second, if you think that DSD64 has trouble establishing a large enough market to be economically viable, how big a market will there be for DSD128 or DSD256 in the grand scheme of things?
Still, I agree about the felicities of these things. I am currently streaming MCH DSD/DXD from my remote server via a local PC-based to USB DACs and it is marvelous.
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Kal Rubinson said:
Well, a NAS is also a computer and has to support a decent user interface application so it is more like a remote computer than just a server.
Also, I do not see DSD256 becoming a standard for downloads for the foreseeable future, if ever. First, the sheer size of the files complicates download and storage. Second, if you think that DSD64 has trouble establishing a large enough market to be economically viable, how big a market will there be for DSD128 or DSD256 in the grand scheme of things?
Still, I agree about the felicities of these things. I am currently streaming MCH DSD/DXD from my remote server via a local PC-based to USB DACs and it is marvelous.
Please correct me if I am not understanding your setup: you are streaming the files from a wireless server with media software on a PC plugged into a multichannel USB DAC that can decode DSD?
I am not very familiar with the current server and streaming options, but a MCH USB DAC seems the best if not only way to play multichannel DSD/DXD files gaplessly. Quite expensive though, as the least expensive machine of this type I have seen to date is over $3k (exaSound e28).
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