Post by valenroy December 30, 2014 (11 of 25)
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Philip Parris said:
I had the "Fillmore East" SHM-SACD and was never really happy with it. It always sounded too bright and thin for my liking; I expected a LOT more, actually. I got the Platinum SHM-CD a few weeks ago, and maybe it's hard to believe, but the Platinum redbook sounded significantly better: smoother, more natural, and more open. Detail was all there, but a lot less forced than on the SACD. How do I say this? It just FLOWED in a way the SACD didn't.
We all know that all SACDs are not created equal, and over the years I've heard for myself more than a few instances in which a well-mastered redbook beat a poorly mastered SACD.
I agree that, in most cases, I would probably opt for an SHM-SACD over its Platinum redbook counterpart. But I do think it should be considered on a case-by-case basis. As I said, not all SACDs are created equal. Just do a lot of research and due diligence before committing.
But I would definitely give an unreserved recommenadation to the the Allmans "Fillmore" Platinum SHM-CD over the SACD. Just one listener's opinion, of course!
The observation you have made is well warranted and I wouldn't be too surprised as the SHM-SACD release uses a 2010 DSD remaster from the original Japanese master tapes whereas the 2013 Platinum SHM-CD uses a different flat 2013 DSD remaster from the original US ones instead.
From the liner notes of the Platinum SHM-CD released in 2013:-
DSD flat transferred from US original analogue master tapes by Kevin Reeves at UMG's 4th Floor Studios, NY, in 2013.
Edited in DSD by Manabu Matsumura at Universal Music Studios, Tokyo, in 2013.
176.4kHz/24bit transferred from DSD by Yumetoki Suzuki at Universal Music Studios, Tokyo, In 2013
HR !High-Resolution) cutting from 176.4kHz/24b1t at Victor Creative Media, 1n 2013
From the liner notes of the SHM-SACD that was released in 2010:-
DSD Transferred from analogue master tapes by Hitoshi Takiguchi (UNIVERSAL MASTERING STUDIOS)
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Post by Marpow December 30, 2014 (12 of 25)
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valenroy said:
From the liner notes of the Platinum SHM-CD released in 2013:-
DSD flat transferred from US original analogue master tapes by Kevin Reeves at UMG's 4th Floor Studios, NY, in 2013.
Edited in DSD by Manabu Matsumura at Universal Music Studios, Tokyo, in 2013.
176.4kHz/24bit transferred from DSD by Yumetoki Suzuki at Universal Music Studios, Tokyo, In 2013
HR !High-Resolution) cutting from 176.4kHz/24b1t at Victor Creative Media, 1n 2013
From the liner notes of the SHM-SACD that was released in 2010:-
DSD Transferred from analogue master tapes by Hitoshi Takiguchi (UNIVERSAL MASTERING STUDIOS)
I will start with the fact that I know little.
But I do know the ABB at Filmore East like nobody's business.
I guarantee that the best version of this over produced/released disc is hands down the 2014 3 disc set in Blu Ray format.
I have high confidence in this statement.
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Post by cupboy January 3, 2015 (13 of 25)
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Marpow said:
I will start with the fact that I know little.
But I do know the ABB at Filmore East like nobody's business.
I guarantee that the best version of this over produced/released disc is hands down the 2014 3 disc set in Blu Ray format.
I have high confidence in this statement.
It's a lot easier to play a SACD. Insert disk. Push play. Nothing else to do. No TV set required.
I like the platinum SHM CDs. I sometimes buy both the SHM SACD and the platinum equivalent. I've done this with Dire Straits Brothers In Arms and The Beach Boys Summer Days. Blind Faith sounds better on the platinum SHM (comes in the white box, too) than it does on the SHM SACD. Sold the other.
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Post by zeus January 3, 2015 (14 of 25)
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cupboy said:
It's a lot easy to play a SACD. Insert disk. Push play. Nothing else to do. No TV set required.
Most Blu-ray Audio discs work the same way. Insert disc. Wait for it to load. Press play. No TV required.
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Post by Marpow January 3, 2015 (15 of 25)
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zeus said:
Most Blu-ray Audio discs work the same way. Insert disc. Wait for it to load. Press play. No TV required.
Correct.
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Post by cupboy January 3, 2015 (16 of 25)
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It's a lot easy. Must be a new Linda Ronstadt single, or maybe not. I will have to correct that.
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zeus said:
Most Blu-ray Audio discs work the same way. Insert disc. Wait for it to load. Press play. No TV required.
I would say yes, also, with the exception being the Universal BD~As which give one a choice of PCM 5.1, Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio and of course stereo. For that purpose, a small flat screen monitor positioned by the player might be helpful as sometimes the different codecs DO sound different.
Thank the stars the OPPO BDP~105 (among others) have two separate HDMI outputs which come in handy for this purpose.
And some of the older BD~As have paraphernalia before the actual menu so it might come in handy for that purpose also.
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zeus said:
Most Blu-ray Audio discs work the same way. Insert disc. Wait for it to load. Press play. No TV required.
Ditto DVD-As.
Thanks for the info zeus, particularly as I'm yet to adopt BD - but nevertheless have an interest.
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Post by Marpow January 4, 2015 (19 of 25)
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rammiepie said:
I would say yes, also, with the exception being the Universal BD~As which give one a choice of PCM 5.1, Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio and of course stereo. For that purpose, a small flat screen monitor positioned by the player might be helpful as sometimes the different codecs DO sound different.
Thank the stars the OPPO BDP~105 (among others) have two separate HDMI outputs which come in handy for this purpose.
And some of the older BD~As have paraphernalia before the actual menu so it might come in handy for that purpose also.
My McIntosh has digital read out as to what version I am playing. I can use remote only to go between the 3 audio choices and just look at McIntosh receiver.
I can also press red, blue,yellow on remote.
All this, and it just is a whole lot easier to hit the TV button on my MX3000 remote and have a large visual, even if I turn the TV off after set up.
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Post by windhoek January 5, 2015 (20 of 25)
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Another option of circumventing the need to have a display connected for DVD navigation is to rip the DVD-A content and convert to DTS-CD which should then play like a regular CD.
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