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mdt said:
I strongly doubt that. A carefully assembled CD system at the same price will be superior to HTIB and with todays prices that CD player may just as well include SA-CD stereo playback. Multichannel should be regarded as an ad lib bonus after having assembled a stereo system capable of reproducing the full dynamic- and frequency range of SA-CD or DVD-A. What's the use of HTIB's 5.1 channels if every single one of them cant even fully reproduce the quality of RBCD. (You'de be surprised what can be goten of a RBCD)
I wouldn't question this - however I would question why we wouldn't want to give people the opportunity to buy, and hence get hooked on, (MCH) SACD! People who care (even a little) about sound quality would never buy HTIB so we are not talking about getting across the best in Hi-Fi that is possible but ensuring the viability of the format so that people like us can enjoy hi-res stereo & MCH sound for many years to come. There is a "cool" factor that having MCH sound gives, which HTIB exploits well for DVD (& I suspect the new HD-DVD/BD discs will too), why shouldn't SACD "piggy-back" on the set-up?
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Post by mdt January 15, 2006 (42 of 163)
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It shouldn't be forgotten either, that what seperates SA-CD from previous, inferior attempts at surround sound, is that it offers 6 fully discrete channels with full DSD resolution on each channel and an immense channel separation. It's precisely these qualities, that allow SA-CD to recreate the recording space and not just some kind of dubious feeling of spaciousnes, being the same with all recordings. A system without the according resolution will not be able to realize this and will lead to negative assesments of SA-CD, so i think it's better to first raise the playback-quality to SA-CD level, even if it has to be stereo for cost reasons. If this is not the case, as with HTIB, SA-CD quality is wasted and one could just as well feed a simple RBCD through some surround sound processor.
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Post by Paul January 15, 2006 (43 of 163)
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Edvin said:
I think a 5.78 through the 3.99 machine 200, minutes 1 in a 22 second would be far better as a converter for the 9900 pleasure mashine as deviced by Gordon Makepiece in his thesus 5 + no undies is the same as very high fidelity indeeed. Close encounters to the most intimate kind. Hooray.
??? Sorry, could you explain what that means?
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Post by monotone January 15, 2006 (44 of 163)
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I hope the recent few releases by Sony... John Legend, John Mayer & Phantom OST might be a small but positive sign for the return.
DualDisc has been such a total waste of time. Playing the CD version via my DAC sounded heaps better than the so called Enhanced Stereo. Why bother?
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Post by mandel January 15, 2006 (45 of 163)
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Paul said:
??? Sorry, could you explain what that means?
I'm not sure, but it probably involves controlled substances :-/
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mdt said:
A system without the according resolution will not be able to realize this and will lead to negative assesments of SA-CD
I completely agree about the first part but as the HTIB are already currently dismissed as rubbish by any (even vaguely) reputable Hi-Fi magazine and they *still* sell in vast volumes without widespread criticism from the general public. The playback of SACD will still sound far better relative to RBCD on that system just as SACD/RBCD on a good Hi-Fi sounds better than SACD/RBCD on HTIB. The main reason I support such moves is it will guarantee the future for hi-res 5.1 discrete sound. The HTIB doesn't stop the medium being hi-res, just not very well reproduced for those consumers, which it cannot have gone unnoticed from major manufacturers, is not the highest priority but convenience & cheapness. It is sometimes hard to remember what non-audiophiles think but we must try to do this.
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Post by audionoob January 16, 2006 (47 of 163)
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I notice an ever widening gap between hardware and software support for the format. CE mfrs are packaging SACD compatibility in their mass products while software providers are targeting primarily the hifi segment.
I have friends with SACD compatible DVD player and HTIB but they have no interest in 95% of the SACD titles out there.....
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audionoob said:
I notice an ever widening gap between hardware and software support for the format. CE mfrs are packaging SACD compatibility in their mass products while software providers are targeting primarily the hifi segment.
I have friends with SACD compatible DVD player and HTIB but they have no interest in 95% of the SACD titles out there.....
Let us hope that supply of software becomes much more balanced...
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Post by jbpfrance January 18, 2006 (49 of 163)
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In France, we have the same questions. Will SA-CD survive, especially if the creators (SONY) do not support their technology, by issuing more disks.
However, we realize here that Philips just sells SA-CD machines at the prices of CD machines.
What is only missing is more choices in disks.
At least, myself and a few friends do not buy any more CD's. The sound is so much better for jazz and classical music. We enjoy so much that we do not want to come back a digital music without analog feeling.
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jbpfrance said:
At least, myself and a few friends do not buy any more CD's. The sound is so much better for jazz and classical music. We enjoy so much that we do not want to come back a digital music without analog feeling.
Me too. It even influenced my tastes.
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