Post by zeus April 23, 2013 (11 of 22)
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Chippy_boy said:
If Sony had decided not to allow raw DSD digital output from SACD players, why is it now be allowed via HDMI?
DSD over HDMI is allowed because the connection supports copy protection (HDCP). This enables transfer of the bitstream to receivers etc.
The reason that there's a plethora of DACs offering DSD is that the off-the-shelf chips used already likely support it and it's fairly trivial to add it to the feature list. Whether software availability ever meets the demand created by this new user base remains to be seen. Given that DSD recording is now used less for even SA-CD (an observation, not a value judgement) some scepticism is warranted.
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Post by AmonRa April 23, 2013 (12 of 22)
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Chippy_boy said:
If Sony had decided not to allow raw DSD digital output from SACD players, why is it now be allowed via HDMI?
You are mistaken here, raw DSD transfer via HDMI is not allowed. It is still under the copy protection domain from transport to (receiver) DAC. There is no legal way to rip pure/raw DSD signal from a SACD.
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Post by hiredfox April 23, 2013 (13 of 22)
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Chippy_boy said:
Given that the only way to get raw DSD output from a SACD player is via HDMI
Not so! Plenty of SACD players preserve the DSD signal right through to analogue conversion. Are you another one talking only about mch. Otherwise what's the obsession with HDMI?
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Post by AmonRa April 23, 2013 (14 of 22)
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hiredfox said:
Not so! Plenty of SACD players preserve the DSD signal right through to analogue conversion.
Analog out from player DAC is not raw DSD output, it is analog audio. OP is wondering where to get DSD files to play with DSD capable DAC...
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Given that many audiophile brands get round the huge licencing costs of HDMI and the like by basing their universal player on an Oppo design ( taking the innards from a standard Oppo and placing into their own chassis and adding modifications of their own for example ) couldnt the same be done with a HDMI DSD standalone DAC? By that, I mean how about buying stock recievers from the likes of say Onkyo ( ones that have DSD>>> Analog DACs naturally ) and basically ripping out the HDMI board and DAC sections and putting it into a smaller bespoke box and building a standalone HDMI DAC?.
OK, I admit I am simplifing the whole thing, clearly its vastly more complex than that and yes the cost would be high because most of the reciever bought would be simply scrapped, but given DSD capable DACs with USB are not exactly cheap anyway I am sure it could be done and still be competitively priced.
I accept that such a DAC would need to have both stereo/multichannel analog outputs to be used with an amplifier, and yes you can already achieve the same thing in theory by just letting a universal player do DSD>>>Analog internally and sending the audio via its own analog outputs. ( and maybe thats the whole reason why nobody bothered to make a HDMI equiped DAC maybe? )
Still either way it does suprise me that even a skilled hobbiest hasnt done exactly that and built their own HDMI DAC even if its just a proof of concept because clearly its not impossible to do, but I do realise that many audio companies would question the point of even releasing such a DAC. However it is a question that is often asked about DSD capable DACs accepting a DSD bitstream from SACD so I guess there must be some milage in it.
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hiredfox said:
Not so! Plenty of SACD players preserve the DSD signal right through to analogue conversion. Are you another one talking only about mch. Otherwise what's the obsession with HDMI?
Suggest you read the thread mate.
I merely asked how am I get feed a new DSD Dac with a DSD data stream. I was told (on this thread) that the only way you can get raw DSD data out of an SACD player is via HDMI.
I have no interest in multi-channel FWIW.
Regards the rest of the discussion, it would seem DSD on a DAC is a bit of a waste of time for me. I won't be buying a Playstation 3 (if I could get one - they are getting more and more rare) just to rip a handful of SACD's. And I don't really listen to much classical music. I won't be doing any illegal downloads either.
So I really don't know where I would get any DSD content from.
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Post by hiredfox April 23, 2013 (17 of 22)
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Chippy_boy said:
Suggest you read the thread mate.
Oh dear!.Not the style we are used to on here but all newcomers are welcome so long as they don't come bristling with attitudinal problems. We are not the enemy old chap!
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Chippy_boy said:
Being completely new to all this DSD stuff, if I have a DSD-capable Dac (I am soon to buy a Benchmark Dac2), what do I need to feed it with some DSD content? I know I can use a PC or a Mac, but I don't have any DSD rips. All I have is a few SACDs.
How do I get SACDs (without transcoding to PCM) to play on my new Dac? I thought SACD players would not output DSD streams, or am I mistaken?
Have to say I am a bit puzzled.
USB DACs can only accept DSD via USB input and no SACD players have USB outputs.
If you want to play DSD via USB DAC you first need to rip an SACD to your hard drive or re-buy the album as a DSD download (if it's available as such, and you don't mind paying for the second time for the content you had purchased before).
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Chippy_boy said:
So I really don't know where I would get any DSD content from.
It would probably not harm to pose this " really dumb question" to HDTracks (they do HD downloads), or the computer audiophile forum. The more people ask about DSD downloads the better for the format, because it shows companies that the demand is there...........
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hiredfox said:
Oh dear!.Not the style we are used to on here but all newcomers are welcome so long as they don't come bristling with attitudinal problems. We are not the enemy old chap!
Hey man, that "oh dear" and "bristling with attitude problems" are uncalled for.
i asked an innocent question in my first post, was given some useful information, then respeated that information, by way of seeking clarification.
I simply suggested you read the thread, so you would understand why I had said what I said. That is all.
I am sorry if I gave you cause to take offence, none was intended. I thought this thread had been very helpful and good mannered.
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